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Hi Everyone

Just a little experiment on different methods of applying a pattern to the wood. 

I started out with 3 identical patterns printed on White Paper label on a laser printer. 

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Then applied them to the piece of 3/4" Thick Poplar.
In this next photo, the top one has Blue Painters Tape, then the Label, then Clear packing Tape over top.
Middle one has Clear Packing Tape and then the Label over top.
Bottom one is just the Label on it's own.

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Drilled the Axle holes and internal cut holes.

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I then cut out the windows first. 

The first photo below is the Label only one. You can see a burnt area in the rear tight radius of the cut. 

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This next photo is the packing tape and then label over top version. 
Again there is a slight burn mark in the back of the window. Less than the above label only version above though. 

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This third photo is the Blue Tape, Label and Packing tape version. 
There is no burn mark at all in the rear of the window on this one, so the extra lubrication from the 3 layers of tape seem to be minimising this burn.

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This next photo shows the rear of the cars, with burn marks only on the far right one, which was the label only version.

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Removing the labels.

The Blue tape version and the Packing tape version both peeled off very easily. 
The label only version predictably ripped and was hard to take off without leaving a residue behind. I started my toy making attaching labels this way and would wipe a bit of turps over the label, let it sit for a minute or 2 and then the labels would peel off easily. The Turps would soak through the paper of the label and dissolve the adhesive. Still had to clean the residue off with another wipe of turps and then let dry and sand etc. 

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I chose a piece of Poplar as it is quite feathery with the fibres almost always pulling off with whatever adhesive method is used, so these next photos show the effects each of these had. 
A little bit with the blue tape, a little bit more with the packing tape and a bit hard to tell with the label only version as it ripped etc. 


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And here are the finished cars. 
Apart from the burn marks, the cut surfaces were all much the same. 

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Hope this proves useful to someone out there. 
It was a good experiment to do.

Cheers
Rod T


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Great post.

I was sceptical of this for a long time. I knew the blue painters tape made it easier to to get the labels off but how could tape lubricate? Then I ran across a similar test in one of Patrick Spielman's books. He said that there is silicon on the tape that keeps the tape from sticking to itself in the roll. So every time the blade passes through the tape it gets a little silicon on it. He did his test with cherry which is very pron to burning.

I have to mention that your scroll saw cutting skills are amazing.

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What a great post and tutorial. Your tips are always helpful and your photos are the frosting on the cake.
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there is a blue painters tape that is sticky both  sides I found it in a benjamin moore paint shop
It is thinner than the carpet tape its easier to tear when putting on the wood its called "Drop Cloth Tape" 
I have used it a few times and I like it 
I don't know it the big box stores carry it or not.

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Of late I have been using a "Stick and release scroll saw tape"
I used it for my scroll saw rockers and really like the way it held the pattern with out it coming loose.
It is a little pricey right now but I think it will eventually come down as all things usually do.

You can find it on Amazon as well as a couple of the hobby sites that cater to us scrollers.




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Interesting I use re-positional spray glue on back of pattern and then sellotape over the top of pattern works a treat.[thumb]
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Thanks everyone.

I like the sound of Greg's double sided blue painters tape. I am going to have a look for that. 
Might be able to just print the plans on plain paper rather than label stock, which could be cheaper.

Will also have a look for Ed's Stick & release scroll saw tape. 

If I can find these I might do another experiment with the same timber and plans using these 2 and Roly's spray glue method as well. 

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Rod this is a great post you've done - Thanks for putting it on the forum.
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I'm pretty sure Shurtape DF191 is what you are talking about.

I haven't been able find anyone in the US that has it in stock. Amazon has had it because there are reviews.

I also found forum postings where people were asking where they could buy it.

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Looks like the cost of the double sided tape and the Stick and Release Scroll saw tape is going to be more expensive than the 3 methods that I experimented with. 
So I won't be trying these at this point.

I have a few other ideas for experiments, so will post these as I get around to them. 

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